wave. thanks a lot. have a great weekend. from hitting the road to traveling in the outer reaches of space, meet the american heroes who made that journal. the special "fly me to the moon," catch it tomorrow on fox news channel. hello, everyone, i'm andrea tantaros along with bob beckle, eric bolling, and it's 5:00 and this is "the five." we hope you had a very happy thanksgiving. president obama has been urging his army of supporters to talk about health care. so fine, let's talk about it. rush limbaugh thinks obama is secretly rooting for the current health care failures so he can offer a solution, a single payer plan. is that so farfetched? let's look at the facts. here's what leaders, including kathleen sebelius, have all said about single payers over the
years. >> i happen to be a proponent of single payer universal health care. that's what i'd like to see. as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. >> i'm all for a single payer system. i think what we have to do is work with what we've got to close the gap. >> obama care is a step in the right direction but we're far from something that's going to work. >> i myself would have preferred public option but this is a compromise. >> is that the end game all along? bob, wasn't it their goal to get a single payer as part of obama care? there just wasn't enough democratic votes when they were trying to push it through? >> no, remember, they wanted a public option to be able to compete in the insurance marketplace and the insurance industry went crazy and so they dropped it because of that. the earlier thing that was said, this was about the single payer, that had always been something a lot of us wanted. when the democrats took over both the house and the senate and the white house, there was still a lot of hope you could push that through.
then it became increasingly clear the insurance companies were not going to allow that so they fell back under obama care. >> from day one, it seems like this is what they've wanted. >> they've always -- we've been talking about that's the ultimate goal, single payer. it's the only thing that would actually work in their world. what they're trying to do is cause a hybrid capitalist versus government-run health care system that's just not working. because they're trying to mandate it. if they gave the option, they said, here are the health care companies, give us your best price, and public option comes in over here. they try and undercut the private companies. people on the right, like me, would say, well, that's not fair trade, that's not capitalism. but it's better than what we have right here. because now we're forced to buy something. you're forced on to the system. i have to take one step back. i was thinking about this. take a step back and take a deep breath. this system stinks. this system is horrible. it can't work. young people aren't signing up. forget the website.
the ipads. that's going to come up. that's going to bubble up soon. deductib deductibles. doctors leaving. at the end of the day, there's nothing here. it's going to collapse. it has to collapse. there's no feasible way this works. we spent a lot of time arguing -- >> it's a very small percentage of people who are not going to have insurance. >> when push come to shove, people aren't going to sign up for this. they're going to take the fine. who knows what the irs is going to do about that. >> it's a disaster. >> corporate america is going to walk away -- >> -- in a capitalism system versus the government, when you have medicaid and medicare, it's been going on for years. how is that different? >> absolutely incorrect. >> medicare is a government sponsored -- >> that part is true. medicare is for the elderly. medicaid is for people who can't afford -- >> i'm saying they live side by side -- >> they're not mandated, bob, this is the new wrinkle -- >> i don't think -- you've got to pay fica. >> you're not mandated to buy it
though. >> let me get dana in here. my prediction is it doesn't collapse. can't see the biggest spender in history, president obama, letting this thing death spiral on its own. i think he's going to throw mass itch amounts of money to keep it afloat. will they have an opportunity to make the case for single payer if they don't get the enrollments? and they have to say, let's step in here and the government take control? >> it's hard for me to imagine an america today where that political conversation could take place and be successful. possibly in some of the states. you might be able to do a state-based experiment in vermont or some place like that. where there would be the political will to be able to do that. in the recent book that was just released called "double down," and they wrote "game change,," the 2008 campaign. they recount a scene in which president obama gets very frustrated with everybody telling him what to say and how to say it. he says, why don't i just go out there and say what i really think about all these things?
climate change, health care, whatever else. he has a whole long list. and it would be refreshing to be able to hear that list. but i understand why his hand handlers were making sure he didn't take that step. look at all those clips beforehand. single payer works very well in a left wing audience when you're running for a primary. when the primary opponent has to come to the middle to run, to try to win the country wide, then america is just not there. they would rather have a competitive system and to give that a shot and to take care, through a safety net, of the elderly and people who aren't able to either -- you know, are low income, they need medicaid, or they need a helping hand from one job to the next. that's the kind of america that most people want. that's why they didn't really go for what they wanted. >> the political will thing is right. the political reality is, given the make of the congress now, it would be impossible to get a single payer plan through. it just would. you're really now having to live with this. the one thing people do want,
they want the elderly taken care of and they want those who are poor taken care of. poor after poor. poll after poll shows they want people who don't have insurance to get insurance. this may not work. they still at the end of the day see people who don't have insurance get insurance. >> if there wasn't the political will to do the public option when democrats held both houses and the white house, even now, it's tough to push anything through, as far as single payer. dana brought up president obama and what he really thinks. we played sound of obama talking about a single payer, but he hasn't always been consistent on how he feels. take a listen to the president in august of 2009, contradicting the sound we just played on him and his views on single payer. >> i have not said that i was a single payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private insurers. for us to transition to a system
like that i believe would be too disruptive. so i'm not promoting a single payer plan. >> b.k., which one is it? >> it is the reality. see, i have less interest in what president obama really thinks. i'm more into reality. we're in the middle of the system we had and the system we're forced to live with. the system we're forced to live with in obama care is unworkable. the system we had needs to be tweaked. we're in a situation where i'm not interested. i'm not that interested in what president obama really thinks because he does not have the power and he's about to lose the senate. i believe if we stay on the same trajectory. the most significant thing that's happened on fox news regarding this was davis on one of the evening shows saying, don't blame president obama, all our democrats should apologize because we've been pushing for universal health care and it is not working. i thought, this is the moment everybody is going to company together and say, listen, my idea was not good, let's have an
idea that will work. my feeling is there's no way president obama has a master plan to collapse a system and only leaving the single payer out. the same people that brought you the website and are so detached are not the same people who have a master plan that's going to collapse our health care system. >> you said the previous system needed to be tweaked. it needed to be completely wiped out. >> i don't think so. >> it was terrible -- >> why? >> because premiums are going up every year for 50 years. the cost of medicine, way out in front of inflation. things are not getting. >> i love our medical plan. people come here for our top medical care. >> why does it have to be a total overhaul? why couldn't they start small? >> like rahm emanuel said. >> to tweak the system rather than reforming one-third of the entire u.s. economy. >> you said something very important. the cost of medical care was going up. >> yes. >> this doesn't do -- obama care doesn't address the cost of medical care whatsoever. >> we don't know that. we haven't seen that. >> in fact, it may actually
allow the cost of medical care to rise. because it doesn't address the real issue. that is the real issue. the cost of medical care. not the cost of health insurance. that's the only thing obama care does. it offers health insurance to people who don't have it. somehow you try to figure out a way to insure 30 million or 40 million more people, whichever number you like, without costing the american public anymore. not a single dime more. remember that? not a single dime. how is that going to happen? >> it wasn't possible to do it. as a country, we have a responsibility to pony up some money for those people who don't have insurance. >> but we were. we have been. that's what we do. there's another cost and that's the cost of innovation and medical ideas and going forward to try to come up with new drugs and new technologies and new ways, for example, on tons sill electric mis, rather than being in the hospital for seven days, is there better technology so they can recover within 48 hours? that kind of innovation companies from a market that is
thriving. not one where the government is pressing down. think america has helped lead the world in medical innovation. unfortunate cost of this legislation for the past four years and probably continuing on until we have more certainty is the cost of new wonderful medical breakthroughs. >> medical devices as well as the bio tech industry has been destroyed. these people are putting their hands up and saying, this no longer making financial sense for me to innovate and take financial risk to bring these drugs to market. >> oh, ridiculous. >> i know a lot of people in that business. they are saying to themselves, not right now. because they're taking severe kicks to the ribs -- >> not right now -- >> they're already planning, isn't it true, to sponsor health plans? two plans to multistate. "the new york times" covered it in the fall. that would be a big deal. how can the insurance company compete? >> that's the argument to do away with the public option.
which i thought was a bad argument. one that would politically -- you wouldn't be able to sell a single payer plan. all this stuff we're talking about here gets down to the question of cost and delivery and i'm not arguing that we don't have excellent medical care in this country. when you -- if you can afford to get it. i think there's two levels of care in this country. one for those who have money and the rest of the people. >> that's what you'll create. >> you don't thing that was there to begin with? >> no, i think -- in general, you got good medical care. whether you're going to an emergency room or you have a private doctor taking care of you. what you're doing now is creating everyone on obama care -- we talked about this a lot. a good doctor is going to take a private patient or a group of private patients rather than seeing what he can get on obama care and seeing what they're going to pay him back. it's medicare and medicaid on steroids. they don't like it. ask any doctor in the world who takes medicare and medicaid if they like it. if they do it because they like
it. or they do it because they took the oath to do it. >> and you don't have what you have in new york city, which is an elite group of people to pay for those doctors. >> they did not address the cost of doctors and their decision to stay in business or not. is tort reform. and the cost of insuring yourself as a doctor against lawsuits is something that's so prohibitive that you will have more doctors that will decide to make a choice. and say, i'm not going to take insurance at all. if you want to come see me, there's a flat fee for it. the cost, it's not just the deficit, direct taxpayer money. it's just obama care's lying like a lead blanket over innovation, as well as doctors -- >> i've been for tort reform for a long time. trial lawyers put a lot of money into the campaign -- >> the highest medical costs in the united states of america -- >> that one i don't understand. >> actually, you would like this. insurance companies aren't really paying. people think that's a big myth
>> what do you have to say? huh? every time, david. every time, david. every time, david. petraeus. petraeus. he's >> he's a war hero! >> when i send eric off to college, he's going to have left wing professors like this who try to indoctrinate him. listen. >> -- on print, on radio and on tv, is the last vestige of angry old white people. republicans are 82% white. losers. >> republican, bob, 82% white, angry, all grumy. wow. my kid's going to learn from that bozo? >> that fits you pretty well.
look, the reality is this guy represents a very small percentage. you know today in america, there are more kids taking business administration than there are taking liberal arts in college? >> thank goodness. >> the idea that somehow -- greg's not here but this whole notion that all the professors are like that is silly. all liberal kids are going to treat petraeus like that. >> saying republicans are angry -- you completely went down the rabbit hole. that was a nice try. let's start with the petraeus thing. if your kids -- >> i had a chance to talk to general petraeus who's finishing up that semester teaching for a dollar after there was controversy. he said, i'll teach it for a dollar. the class is made up of honor students. help said it could not have been a better group of students. it's been fabulous. all those knuckleheads that are screaming at him on the street were not a part of the honors class. there's hope i guess. >> it was a professor that put
them up to it, right? >> your thoughts? >> it's absolutely outrageous. i'm embarrassed for those kids. i mean, that's like screaming at george patton. that's like screaming at general macarthur. what this guy's done is heroic. what he designed with the surge is something military experts will look at for jen rgeneratio. in the same stoic way he served in the sunni triangle is the same way he dealt with that. >> bob gets mad at us, but we're willing to run any of the sound bites he comes up with, conservative professors doing the same. we can't find any. >> they're intimidated, i think a lot of them, on college campuses. the truth is more like the ones we just played than ones spouting conservative ideology on college campuses. just think how naive those kids were. to think they could intimidate general petraeus who has fought people yelling allah akhbar with
machine guns -- >> yeah, he walked through fallujah, i think he can handle new york city with a bunch of -- >> new york city's exactly right. let's talk about this, oklahoma, nebraska, you think they're full of liberal professors thinking that kind of stuff? come on. you took the gutfeld medicine today. >> i went to college and my professors were very liberal. i remember being taught liberal left leaning ideology in college. >> didn't stick. >> you have kids, you push liberalism on them at all? >> no, they are liberal. i see nothing wrong with being a liberal. i don't find that bad. >> what about you and your brother? >> yeah. >> what about you and your daughter's friend? >> i have two daughter, 10 and 12 and my son's 17. >> and? >> and what i think is not important to say they're conservative or liberal, what i think to say, you got to be
patriotic, you have to have pride in your country. if you see a professor jam it down your thought, that x president or x party or white or racist or black or anything like that, you are supposed to stand up for it. my feeling is that stuff rubs off on you. i've never sat down with brian and said, this is what you think and this is what i hope you conclude. it doesn't happen. >> here's the five things you need to know to keep your kids conservative. liberal people teach their kids values too. it might surprise a lot of people. >> i have a sophomore in high school. public high school. very, very liberal group of people. teaching him. and the students inherently are liberal. they lean left. he compan comes from a conserva household. he understands about the constitution. he understands about certain amendments in the constitution. when he hears stuff in school, it jogs his memory. i don't know where he's going to
go. at least i've given him -- >> -- sounded very good, i'm very, very liberal, and my brother's right of you. >> can i mention something? >> i've seen you both together. dropped you on your head or long ago -- >> can i mention something, i don't think until i was a much older adult and i still don't ask them today, i didn't know how my parents voted. i think i remember one election they came home from work and they had both voted. i remember them saying they canceled each other out. i didn't know who had voted for whom. what my parents did was just provide an opportunity for me to think a lot of different thinks. i remember one year coming home from college, i told my dad i was thinking about becoming a buddhist. and he probably had to swallow pretty hard. okay. knock yourself out with that one. >> they want us to wrap. quickly, around the table, your parents, liberal or conservative? >> i don't know. i think now more conservative because they watch fox news. >> how about you growing up? >> probably moderate conservative i guess. >> mine were -- >> i don't know, maybe not.
>> my parents were left. >> you? >> left of left. >> i had a conservative and an independent. and i think my dad brought a little bit of that european -- more on social issues with him. the best example they set was making me work and getting your kids a job. because you look at that paycheck and -- they never pushed their ideology. you look at the paycheck. you see how much is taken out. they would show me what they pay in taxes. my dad would say, don't take a nickel from the government. i never did. he wasn't saying vote a certain way. he was just saying -- >> my family was nixon, humphrey, kennedy. i mean, we just -- >> i think my dad was one of the first libertarians i never knew. >> very good, that's interesting. >> i actually think that's probably -- they probably think i'm crazy now. >> they're wrapping up. got to leave it there. ahead, some left wing supporters attack walmart for a food drive -- >> who writes this crap is what i want to know. >> we'll have that.
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mcdonald's has some advice about its workers about stress, budgeting effectively and more. a union-backed group is not loving it. the employee's website advises workers who might be stressed to sing away that stress, chew away their cares, quit complaining. the advocacy group called low pay is not okay is complaining about that. which is counterproductive. they're pushing mcdonald's to pay more money to their fast food workers and not give advice. do you understand the mind-set of the employer being mad at the employee for complaining? judge i hate people who
complain. negative people make positive people sick. why are they telling them exactly how to run their lives? >> whistle while you work. >> can you imagine pull up and saying, i'm take six chicken mcnuggets and the guy's going "the hills are alive." >> it does go on to say if you are stressed, you raise your hormone level 15 times what it should be and, therefore, you are not going to be healthy. >> let me tell you something, with that one, that's a flatout lie. they say all this is based on research. we asked our brain room to find out any evidence of that. they found absolutely nothing. mcdonald's is a promotion for mcdonald's only. they could give a crap about their employees. >> they're a huge employer in this country. >> for low wage jobs, sure. >> they do provide videos for low-paid workers to get over it and earn their pathway up. >> what's your problem with saying to an employee here's how
you can be happy? >> because it's crap, that's why, you're feeding them crap. >> let me guess, you just want the employer to pay the employee more? >> absolutely. when they say this will reduce your stress. >> the bottom line, they wanteded more money. >> their web page is a lie. mcdonald's lies. that's what i'm talking about. >> over the web page? >> mcdonald employees web page is full of lies. >> you think they're lying? >> no, in fact, had a chance last weekend, i stopped at three mcdonald's on the way -- we did a little road trip on a weekend, now this is just my personal experience. in each place i went -- because i love the hot chocolate and the diet coke is a perfect blend and oatmeal is fabulous and i love the smell of the fries. i don't eat them anymore. what i witnessed was a diverse group of people with really good managers. very pleasant attitudes.
and everybody was -- i'm not saying they're so happy because they're making a low wage at mcdonald's. i think the training and the management seems to be, at least from my personal experience, pretty good. i don't want a low-wage job like work at mcdonald's is not meant to be for your whole life. for some it will be. but it's not meant to be. you can take advantage of the the good training programs and the leadership -- >> and open up your own business. >> and then you can start -- i would be more likely to hire somebody who worked at mcdonald's that hasn't. >> eric, should we just pay people more and tell them to sing less? >> listen, i'm against the minimum wage. i think the free market is the best setter of the proper wage. and that's what will end up happen. you're breathing heavy. but that's ultimately what this is all about. the fast food workers industry wants a $15 per hour minimum wage across the board. which would drive companies -- which would drive the lower half
of the profitability companies off the chart -- millions of jobs would go away. when you raise the minimum wage, job goes away. >> every time i've heard that, it's never been proven. >> look at mcdonald's in texas. they naturally go up. >> in north dakota, you can get a scholarship there. they'll pay you and move you. now let's talk about walmart. people are upset about walmart. so are certain organizations because they have collections for some of their employees that could use a little help. people are criticizing. say, wait, don't have a collection for walmart workers, just pay them more. do you think it's distasteful to have a collection come holiday time, like thanksgiving, for co-workers? >> no, i don't, i think it's a very, very nice gesture. if co-workers want to contribute, that's naturally what co-workers do. i've been in situations where if someone's fallen on hard times, they've rallied together to help them pay their bills. especially at christmastime. >> what about having some
corporate organization tworowar helping people out? >> they don't pay people enough money to have a good thanksgiving. and they make them work on thanksgiving. they're really a wonderful operation. after they've driven mom and pop shops out of business. >> they close? >> i would be happy to see them close. >> i think this is a choice that walmart employees make for one another. >> right, and you agree with bob? >> bob, what, you don't want to work, don't work, quit. go find another job. why does walmart have to -- >> -- there's no jobs around -- >> bob, you're so inconsistent, it's unbelievable. just raise the minimum wage. drive jobs elsewhere. >> you can't prove that will be the case. >> if i got to -- >> you can't prove raising the minimum wage will do a darn thing that won't drive them away, can you? >> they can pay more sales tax. >> somebody wise around this table said the entry level pay is not meant to be a career, it's meant to be a path. if you're good, you'll rise up the ladder.
>> -- walmart, you're think that's a first level job? >> i've never seen anybody there that's unhappy, but if they are unhappy -- >> it's not the employment -- >> all right, i don't want to sacrifice the rest of the show for walmart and mcdonald's because, bob, you're getting mad. >> no, i'm not -- >> straight ahead, how's the forecast heading for your trip home? stay tuned. we're going to give you an update. a warning for high school kids hope to get into college. some admissions officers now reading your tweets. they're reading what your posts are online. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s.
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i've been thinking a lot about the college admissions process and their bills and what criteria should be used to get accepted. a growing number of schools across the country are moving away from standardized exams like the s.a.t. and a.c.t. more than 800 no longer mandate score submissions and i'm all for that. i saw a little girl -- little girl, she was a senior in high school, a friend of mine's daughter, a straight "a" student, was the head of the cheerleading squad, head of the debate society. she was crying because she didn't have high enough s.a.t. scores. absolute disgrace for admissions department to use. it's lazy and they're lousy tests. >> how do you really feel? tell us, please. >> well, here's the thing, how else do you -- how else can you get a standard grade for someone
from oklahoma to new york to wisconsin? >> look at their high school transcripts. >> different high schools have different demands. you won't know if there's an inflation of grades from here to there. >> based on a bunch of dudes outside of princeton -- >> you're going to tell me it's just three guys -- >> this thing's been under attack for years and for good reason. >> the a.c.t. too. my son's taken both. one of those facts of life. i also know three of the ten schools he's applying to don't want him. >> good, let them all get rid of them. let them all go broke. >> what they should add is an essay test. because the ineptitude in writing -- >> right, have that now -- >> not all universities have it but getting there. >> i think that -- i understand where you're coming from. if you have great grades but you're not a great test taker. also, in schools, in public schools, they also have to help you pass the s.a.t.s.
all a sudden, you kick butt on the s.a.t.s and catapult yourself into a university you normally couldn't get into. >> i had good grades but i was not the greatest test taker. the writing portion, the essay portion, helped balance out the math portion. i do see your point, bob. i think if they just make the panel decide based on diversity purposes, i think that's probably not very fair. >> how did you do on your s.a.t.s? >> i did well. why would we take tools away from the admissions office for any school? i would have more. i would have transcripts. a.c.t. s.a.t. whatever it takes. there are different criteria of different high schools around the country. one of the best high schools across the river in jersey city. is it fair those kids may get lower transcript scores to a kid who may be going to a public
school in the city and be graded at the same level? >> if i thought standardized tests actually were reflective of what people were doing, but people opposed to those things had a group kids take them back to back and the range was 150 points. >> you're talking about something different. you're making a very good point that within the a.c.t. or s.a.t., you may want to dig in and find out and make sure the questions are fair to the widest group of kids. rather than telling the colleges what they should or shouldn't be looking at. >> plus, it's a fairly low bar, what we're asking american students to pass. if they're going to be competitive with students from all around the world, passing the s.a.t. and a.c.t. is probably not that much to ask. >> i got the lowest score you could possibly get in the s.a.t. stay tuned for an update on the holiday travel situation. also coming up, six americans we should be very thankful for this thanksgiving. we might have lost the revolutionary war had it not
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♪ say you want a revolution ♪ well you know you've known brian for years as a tv host here at fox but he's also an accomplished historian who just co-wrote a fascinating new book about a group of unsung heroes of the revolutionary war. george washington's secret six, the spy ring who saved the american revolution. on "the new york times" best-seller list. i found these, from two generals who followed in washington foot steps. tommy nk franks writes, freedom is foot free, never has been, never will be. great read. and this from stanley mcchrystal, a fascinating read, highlighting some of our nation's unknown heroes, would never sought credit nor recognition. brian, congratulations. high praise indeed from two
decorated veterans. >> yeah, it's a thrill to have them read it. what i think is very emblematic of both those men is they never want any credit, they always want to give it to their soldiers and troops. especially in franks case. he didn't even go to the academy. i've been studying this really since 1990. we know washington belongs on the mountain. we know all these people are extraordinarily. but you didn't know a bartender could do what he did. you maybe don't know a farmer can do what they did. a guy would owns a grocery store can have the type of courage that robert townsend displayed. a guy that was a printer and journalist can do what robbed townsend portrayed. to get that information to george washington -- >> these are people basically passing things on to washington to help him with his war plans. >> they were behind enemy lines for 3 1/2 years. they had to pretend to be somebody they weren't.
as he syou see this map, he wen miles when he got the word something had to be picked up in manhattan. he had to take a ferry because the bartender needed some splice but there was a note backed in there. then to caleb brewster. he was a big guy who had five friends in a whale boat and they would row through the british navy across to george washington who had a courier. they had invisible ink, encryption. even if you brought these letters to life, you didn't know what 369 meant. you didn't know what 86 meant. you didn't know 711 meant george washington. that 712 was abraham woodhaul the farmer. i just found this whole thing fascinating. we tried to put it together in this story, and i think it hopefully gives these guys the credit they deserve. >> 711 was named after washington. >> there's somebody in the spy ring that's never been identified. how is that possible? >> there's a lot of different
theories i'm getting from across the country. i didn't want to jump to conclusions but it could be the sister of robert townsend. it could be a love interest of robbed townsend. they both came in with one certain letter in which abraham woodhall said there's a person about to enter the ring to be of supreme help to all of us and it's a lady. 355 is how the ledger reads. >> so now that you're a best sentence h best-selling author can you get? . >> it's the only place i can get tables. it's telling a story. >> would you cast anyone from the fox news channel in the movie? maybe steve, maybe elisabeth hasselbeck or anyone from "the five." >> i'd have to have screenings with dana and yourself to give you a proper opportunity because we have to make -- >> we'll be happy -- >> bob could be george washington. >> we love your enthusiasm.
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bush. president bush became a painter after he left the white house. he's actually very, very good. at the white house there's always an ornament every year. you can get one, the official one, from the archives, but at the bush center.org, you can order this one which is president bush painted a cardinal, this bird here, that mrs. bush chose for the ornament for the year. you can go on bush center.org and have not just a great ornament but one painted by president bush. >> i'm getting that. >> isn't that great? >> that is fantastic. >> beautiful. >> roberto? >> yes. i want -- since yesterday was thanksgiving and a lot of people had a chance to be with family and friends, i want to show you a list of stores that had the courage and decency to let their employees off for thanksgiving, unlike walmart and mcdonald's. >> people got to eat. >> the home depot, nordstrom, lillard's, b.j.'s, tj maxx,
costco. >> you can order online though. >> people wanted to work -- >> why were you interrupted my "one more thing"? >> a lot of people like -- >> you can't debate on "one more thing." >> brian? >> i got to tell you, it's hard to be a champion and it's doubly hard to be a champion and have a good time but the miami heat have a great time while they're winning. they always photo bomb each other. so i want to share with you. there is lebron jumping in front of dwyane wade and there you see doing it again, having a great time in the postgame interviews there, and there you see ray allen. and then you see lebron being interviewed after a big game and you see him being punked over there. this happened this week, you're about to see dwyane wade behind lebron actually do a cart wheel. first they threw a towel on his head and then they did a cart wheel. amazing with this type of pressure, they just love this game and love to win. i just wanted to share that with you. >> all right. if you have ever been to johnny's booze and pool in
huntington beach, california, and i admire the pro veteran sign, you might not be seeing it much longer. they were told to take down the sign or face a $950 fine. how ridiculous? it's just thanking the veterans. a lot of people were very upset. >> they should be. >> they have until tuesday to take it down. >> they should rally and pay the fine and leave it up. >> a little collection pool even though bob hates them. >> i'm going to use my time to talk about your "one more thing." what about some of the pleas that wanted to make time and a half or double time. >> a lot of these stores are paying them. >> why should they be mandated to shut down on thanksgiving? if they couldn't get employees -- >> nobody is hahn daitimandatin question of heart. you're one level of a free market which is heartless and the rest -- >> what about stores being open on christmas? >> absolutely. >> what if you're jewish? >> what about muslim holidays?
should they close on muslim holidays? >> absolutely not. >> don't forget to set your dvrs so you never miss an episode of "the five." see you on monday. is the new and improved obama care website ready for its close-up? this is "special report." good evening. i'm in for bret baier. it's rollout has led to the worst embarrassment of his presidency. tonight president obama is hoping the upgraded version of healthcare.gov really is ready for prime time this time. while the digital clock is ticki ticking, the president is trying once again to change the subject. >> reporter: determined not to have his agenda defined by the focus on his broke enhealth care website, president obama visited